We project our insecurities onto others until we reach an age that we just don't give a flying fig.

When girls are catty, it just reminds me that some people never leave high school.

Ladies,

You have the male members of the audience scratching their heads, asking 'Huh?'

In many ways I think society has it out for girls when they're single, and guys when they're married.  For example, in fashion, it is perfectly acceptable for men to wear the same thing to the office every day, while women have to plan it out.  When marriage sets in, women get to jump into the dockers, sweaters, and sensibility, while men start obsessing with lawn care, cars, and trying to behave like their still in high school.

Holding grudges is just a waste of energy, and I kinda find it a turn-off to hear one girl talk smack about another, or one who puts down an ex.  I don't think girls realize that we are all potential ex's, and we don't like to imagine what you would say about us in return.

Seriously, its a big factor in keeping us from sharing and getting close to someone.  I personally applaud your appeal to stop being mean to each other.

I got to the part where Julia claimed that she doesn't hate on other women. Okay. So then why would you forward e-mails that one girlfriend wrote about her feelings towards another friend of yours TO THAT FRIEND? Isn't that far worse than sniping on someone's make up or wardrobe choice? I'd rather have someone call me fat than betray my confidence. To me that is far worse than silly cattiness.

I admire that the girls have attempted to address the issue of 'Mean Girls'.  The level of vitriol directed at them is sometimes overwhelming, but a line should be drawn between senseless hating and fan feedback.

Personally I think that If Julia wants to wear enough slap to sink a battleship, that's her decision.  But if you set up a new business based on courting publicity whenever and wherever, if being seen and photographed if the basis of your 'web persona' rather than actual informative content, you have to expect that a certain amount of attention (admiration OR attacks) will be personal.  Anything else is utterly naive.  

How you handle the flipside of attention is up to you, but a little humility goes a long way.  No one is perfect... but if you never own up to your mistakes you just become boring and irritating to be around and it reinforces negative thinking.  It's just same old, same old.   When I first started watching, I found Mary incredibly condescending but now to her credit, she comes across as the most personable and the most real.  To me, this is because Mary admits her many shortcomings and limitations.  Flawed characters are so much more interesting.  

But to be likeable you have to work harder to convince your friends that you are worth sticking by.  In wanting the audience to consider you their 'trusted friends' (cf. your publicity a while back), you create an expectation.  If you fail to meet that expectation and never address it, clearly you will have some comeback when your friend wants to know what's going on.  So I really think that questions regarding squandered opportunities (DLD, inauguration, Davos etc) are entirely valid.  What happened there?  

I mean, inauguration: with millions of people around, obviously there would have been zero Obama to actually see, but how about a comment on the atmosphere at the very least?  Maybe a few shots of the crowd gathered to witness history in the making?  And Davos - ok, you meet these fascinating people, but can't you summarise a few concepts or conversations?  I mean, you met some of the world's foremost economists, including one of the only guys who foresaw the banking crisis:  if not a precis of what we can do to get out of this mess, how about at least a paragraph on their involvement at Davos?  So you had no wifi - how about uploading the work later?  It's not rocket science.  I am sure that the NYFW coverage will be much better, but has anyone even mentioned the fact that many designers are opting out of the Bryant Park expense-fest in favour of showing their collections interactively?  

I am a fan and visit every day because to me the interest is seeing how and when you girls interact with each other, how you are developing your business and yourselves.  But just because you are not political or economic commentators, it doesn't mean you should ignore the need for insight and content entirely!!!  We are all works in progress and I think it is how we respond to change and adversity that makes us better people.  It is just sooo disappointing to me when constructive criticism is just ignored, or lumped in together with the haters.  

So please, as this is your BUSINESS, how about more (in depth?) coverage of issues and ideas and less hanging on other people's coattails/websites.  Fewer kissy pictures?  I am so sick of seeing the right side of Julia's face...  A forum for fans, and the facility to comments on posts perhaps?  

I am not a mean girl, and these comments are meant sincerely and constructively.

Best,
EmmaB

someone once said that the things you hate/dislike/are annoyed by etc., in another person, are the issues that YOU yourself have.  the circle of ego life.  

i am dumbfounded by the people who post heinous things regarding girls whom they dont even know. i dont personally know julia, meghan, or mary, and even if i did, i could not FATHOM picking them to pieces like you all do. demeaning them, etc. mary is right. you just make yourself look like super unclassy ladies who have serious insecurities.
yes, insecurities. dont even play it off like its ANYTHING else. 

what helps me from allowing 'negative' thoughts to fester about someone else who i would pin as 'mean'.., is knowing that they are not perfect people and are more often than not, hurting inside. it makes it easier to smile at them even if they dont smile back.  not to take it personally. their issues are THEIR issues. they are responsible for their own emotions.  and they can choose to be mean and rude. and i can choose NOT to be mean and rude in response.  simple. 

where does 'mean' get people, anyways? 

and to the person on here who said you leave negative comments NOT because you are jealous, but because you just find the girls 'unlikeable'.... is the most ridiculous immature thing i've ever heard.   

you're all adult women with leftover middle school insecurities.

Julia emphasizing, "one of the things we do not do, we just do not do this, we do not talk shit about other people," is so SO disingenuous less than a minute after her little story about her and Megan trashing her ex's new girl.  

Why would you even bother with such an outright lie?  I get that it's "who you want to be" but you need to see that there is a difference between who you want to be an who you are.  

That's not meant as an insult - we all have our flaws and we all strive to be better.  But trying to better yourself is different than pretending you already ARE better.  Didn't there used to be a quote on your blog about how the world is lonely because everyone is pretending to be perfect. Yeah, that's you. It makes you seem inhuman and unrelateable. Thank goddess Mary jumps in to hedge your ridiculous statement.

This was a good episode. I just transferred schools this semester. The girls here are all gorgeous. It also started to seem as if the more I'm seen. The more I get "attacked". I got called out for eating a chicken biscuit in the morning in one class by some girl I don't even know. And I got teased my two girls for sketching in a coffee shot. I get caught off guard though and can't proces what is going on because it is so stupid. But, I know I've have been harsh when given the response time. It's pointless. and life isn't a contest. It's about how you effect the people around you(hopefully in a positive way).

Almost all of these "negative" commenters bring up very valid points. When these outweigh the positive comments, do you think it might be time to reconsider continuing with this show at all, especially considering that you are clearly very uncomfortable with anyone that questions your opinions?

It is quite hard to feel female solidarity towards people who entertain the old cliché that most women are catty, jealous and backstabbing creatures who hunt members of their gender down, mostly because they want to reproduce with the best mate out there. I don't know why you resort to stereotypes and pseudo-science, maybe because you think it sells, anyway: this are the things that give everyone dissenting the right (or even the responsibility) to voice another opinion on this site.

hilarious when julia pretends to be incredulous when mary admits to gossiping about others.
it's really human nature; even the nicest people do it.  it's more important to keep it at a minimum and allow people to change your mind.

it's simply not true that a dude would not be aggressive to another man dating his former girlfriend or whatever. i've seen that situation many times, and while sometimes the means of aggression may be different from women, the intent is the same.
men talk shit! why idealize men as non-gossipers or not as likely to put people down? it's just not true.  
honestly, at the end of the day, jealousy and cattiness occurs in the behavior of both sexes.

I think we're all waiting for you to take responsibility for the content (or lack thereof) that you put out there, as opposed to issuing a simplistic (and whiny) you're-just-jealous-because-you-can't-be-me rant. 

We're former fans saddened by the fact that you had a good idea, but turned that good idea into a vanity site, run by women with incredibly duplicitous personalities.

When you cease calling people "c*nts" and bloggers "bitches" because they call you to task for how you present yourself and alleged brand online, then perhaps we can take you a little bit more seriously.

I think its a little bit ridiculous to simply not disagree with someone simply because they're female.  If we are to subscribe to that, then I guess I should keep my opinion of Sarah Palin to myself, because I think its asinine to make women pay for rape kits.  I also disagree with Ann Coulter and I think she's a horrid excuse for a person.  Should I censor myself there, also?

Its one thing to not want people to talk shit, but its another to be hypocrites about it.  In the same way you talk shit, other people should be able to as well.  It is a PUBLIC forum, as you point out, so people should be able to express their opinions.

Since we all went to fairly decent schools, I'm sure we've heard of the First Amendment, haven't we ladies?

God this video was bad. What is there for people to be jealous of? Do they really believe that jealousy is why they are being criticized?

Julia's voice is so unappealing to listen to. Mary's thinly veiled threat to RBNS posters and her request that women stick together make her look pathetic. And Meghan looks like she barely knows whats going on. There was a real tone of aggression to this video - who exactly are they trying to appeal to?

And is it just me or does Julia's face look really puffy?

haha, I love the scene at the end of the girls singing and being silly.

All the mean comments posted here are perfect examples of "mean girls." If you don't like TMIWeekly, don't come to the site! Why go to the trouble of carefully watching the episodes and finding things to rant about?  Because you are mean!

To Julia's point about people perhaps becoming less mean as they get older...my grandma could share some crazy "mean girl" stories from her retirement community! I don't think it ever stops. :(

Lastly...can the sponsorship ads go at the beginning or end of the episode instead of the middle?  It breaks the rhythm...

I am not a hater if I disagree; I have been a loyal fan for a long time now. Thank Gawker for this...
Please do not place me into this "jealous woman" category when I have complaints. I object to the stereotype. Men pick women apart -- open your eyes to society and the standards that somehow exist. Women pick women apart too. Men pick men apart -- listen to some conversations I have with my boyfriend about his co-workers! There is no category for this. And I would also refrain from using your beloved "evolution" theory, Julia. I know it explains everything in one fell swoop, but your reasoning may be a bit off. We do character analysis in literature class; we rate celebrities outfits and comments; we judge on looks and we rate ourselves. I believe this is social behavior that we learn, as opposed to that with which we are born. Evolutionarily, it was a survival mechanism to be wary of the *other* -- those who look and act different from whichever group you're in. However, inherent to evolution is change -- these survival instincts are not needed anymore. Today, I would have to say it is more of an issue of conformity, of the desire to both fit in and be seen as *normal* amongst one's peers. Again, to be in a group and feel secure.  These are very broad impulses. 

To say women hate on you because you are competition is a little too far fetched. We form opinions on what you give us.

Maybe those who believe Julia wears too much make-up are commenting on a larger persona which hides underneath? Perhaps, the headbands and cute outfits with red tights are indicative, to some, of larger motives. After all, Julia, some of us have read the infamous Media Bistro article and have seen the F-YOU Money video, amongst others. 

I think a lot of commentary is directed at exposing Julia as a farce. I do not think this stems from jealousy. I truly think it stems from her own doing. This is what happens when you create a character, Julia. You, yourself, enjoy the buzz which surrounds you. However, the buzz has turned sour because you offer nothing and take everything for free.

Thanks, 
Former Fan turned disillusioned -- Sarah.

I think the NS girls have been pretty non-shit talking when it comes to other girls.. However, I am very disappointed when I see you girls posting awful things about your (or the other 2 girls) ex's. All the Charles Forman/Jacob Lodwick bashing is kind of expected from Julia after all the Gawker posts about that, but when Mary posted that pic of Lodwick and that convo about Forman, it really disappointed me. Mary's my favorite NS girl and to see her stoop to Julia's level was sad :(

So girls, next time you decide to publicly post some shit talking about your ex's, please think about this episode. It not only makes you look like a mean girl, but a pathetic little girl who just couldn't get over some dude dumping you.

Amen! 
This is an episode any girl can relate to. We've all been on both sides of the situation. We just have to remember whoever we are bashing might look like they have everything going for them might be a mess on the inside. Girl need to stick together and remember we're all beautiful in our own ways.

I truly find it absolutely hilarious that the Nonsociety haters still found a way to leave bitchy comments guilt-free after an episode like this! Hahahaha. I am seriously curious--how do you ALWAYS find a way?

You guys are bitches about EVERYTHING. WOW, I am sure your life is so happy-go-lucky! I take people for who they are as best as a I can, and I always try look for the best in people and remember that everyone has flaws. And you know what? That feels GREAT! I haven't always been like that. Years ago I was a much bitchier person. I felt like I was better than other poeple. But having learned all the things I have learned over that past couple years has CHANGED MY LIFE. 

I am a much happier person! I feel sorry for you guy who are so absurdly bothered by something as lighthearted as Nonsociety. You guys all band together now, but if any of you started a site like Nonsociety, you would immediately start hating on eachother. You find the bad in everything. Congratulations! I sincerely hope I never turn into people like you.

You guys may think you are happy, but your bitterness shines through every one of your comments. You claim you aren't jealous, and maybe you arent--but you cant claim that you aren't trying to bring them down with your comments. And trying to bring people down for no reason other than you want to, it just purely ineffecient and pointless. And is to your detriment. Hope the rest of your life is great, because by the looks of it, you guys find the worst in everyone and everything. Get off your fucking pedestals, because maybe these girls are "fake and stupid" in your opinion but, well, you are bitches.

You girls touched on some really important issues. You are right, many girls will put you down for anything, even if you make a tiny spelling mistake they will dwell on it like you have majorly screwed up in life and tell you that you are uneducated and stupid! When a person can let go of judgment and accept a person as they are then there will be no more negative criticism and mean behaviors. Why create such negative destruction anyways, it really doesn't do anything for you, it just feeds you with more negative energy and no one likes to be around that. It's not cool to look at someone and pick on their imperfections. And even so, what an imperfection is for one person can be perfection for another. I am glad you did this episode, I really like it that you girls continue to be yourselves and let all the negativity roll off you backs! Keep it up!

www.trainerpack.com/blog

I can be a total mean girl.  My comments about people are usually on the negative side, but I try not to hate on other girls' appearances.  I'm usually dissing something substantive.  But I will say, sometimes when I listen to myself I'm just like UGH.  Can I not see the good in people?

In your situation specifically, most of the people who've become detractors (me included) originally started as people who cheered you on.  What you're seeing now is a direct reaction to suggestions that weren't answered or even acknowledged, blogging practices that were dishonest, and a general apathy towards the people who read your site and give you the much-coveted pageviews.

I don't think it's jealousy so much as overwhelming frustration with your consistent lack of substance.  The people leaving mean comments aren't hating for hating's sake, they're frustrated with your site's inability to live up to its potential.

That said, Mary, I admire that you have been blogging about things relevant to your area of expertise, like hair dryers and eyeliner.  That may sound sarcastic, but it's not.  You are doing a good job of reinforcing your brand as the style expert, and I really thing Meghan and Julia could learn a lot from the way you approach your blog.  Sorry... "lifecast."

-- Rachael Osborn

So, when Mary posts a picture of somebody on her blog and states what is wrong with the fashion choice this person made-- that is not mean-- that is her profession?

When Julia gave her comments on Brittney Spears, or stated that Biden's son was a douchbag, or that Charles Foreman was one too,  again, not mean, just being a professional?

It has probably been taken down by now, but didn't Mary blog that 'frisky' [another blogger] was a manipulative bitch?

The moderators of this site--warn that profanity will not be accepted, yet, Julia drops a couple of F bombs on her panel at DLD, Mary swears quite frequently in her blog and in this segment--bitches [used to refer to those of us who earnestly disagree] and the word shit are acceptable.

This is classic NS policy: Take us or leave us--we can rip on people--we can post/delete--never address very basic issues--and still consider ourselves transparent and professional. 

The little things--Mary blogs that she has not been on her computer or cell for a day-- yet, within the time frame Mary refers to, both Julia and Meghan post pictures of Mary on her cell and typing on her computer. Is this a big deal-- no--however, what was Mary's purpose for blogging that statement at all?

I have to go with the lion's share of naysayers--NS is just a bunch of kissy face pictures of girls screaming LOOK AT US. Watch us go here and there, fly back and forth, and look at all the different clothes we wear and opportunities we have. Do not ask us how we afford plane tickets, do not comment on the clothes we wear [????] do not have opinions. Just look into the windows of our crazy lives and shut the F up if you do not like it.

Nice.Job.Ladies.

It's nice to see you girls attempting to maturely address an issue that's obviously been bugging you lately.  I don't believe you succeeded entirely, but I appreciate that you were up-front and refused to stoop to the obnoxious level of the "haters" you've been faced with lately.  Where you fell short was in the method of delivery - you could have used some research or an expert opinion to support the points you were trying to make.

LOLocaust @ 4:40! Go Mary, Go Mary, Go!

Sassy...it's free content. Don't get your knickers in a twist, they can say whatever they want and you will probably still watch them! :D

Even when I disagree with you guys, I love to watch, because you are like INTERACTIVE SEX AND THE CITY, and though I freaking hated that show on a social level, I found it entertaining and love Patricia Fields' styling for Carrie. For example, the idea of a colonic scares the crap out of me [pun unintended] and I think juicing is a cool concept but for a lady on a weight gain mission, totally unrelatable. 

Actually, can you do an episode on trying to GAIN weight? I feel like the only one in the world...

In regards to the episode though, I did feel a little awkward, but it's because no one is a fan of admitting that they talk shit. When someone mentions gossiping or starts to gossip, you feel guilty, but it's fun, and usually the fun outweighs the guilt. Sucks to admit, but it's true. It's just human nature and it's something we often try to change. Timeless issues.

Also, Julia rocks headbands like no other! DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT UBERFABULOUS. You are! I love your make-up! I love your ribbons! I am jealous of your super shiny long hair!

Love,
Kate/Hayley Jane

This is an obvious attempt to try and make those who leave negative feedback feel bad. Have you ladies ever considered the possibility that people are not jealous of you because you have nothing we wish to covet? Is it possible that aspects of your personalities are offensive or just wholly unlikeable? Isn't that an easy excuse to say that such dislike stems from jealousy? Isn't that a passive aggressive way to try and put yourselves on pedestals and make people think you have lives worthy of our jealousy?

@sassy Im sure the mean comments are what brought up the idea for this epsiode, but the issue of "mean girls" is bigger than just a few comments on a website, and I think the n.s. Girls get that, and THATS why they did this episode. 
And it not that condescneding because they admited that they are not saints... they have done it too from time to time, but its the fact that they felt guilty about it and regretted their actions that counts. Sometimes people that leave nasty anon. comments on the internet probably feel not one ounce or guilt or regret, and its terribly sad for them that they're so void true happiness.

I think you're taking a rather tired and stereotypical argument and use it to defend and protect yourselves.  In one breath Julia says she doesn't hate on other women, in the next she's admitting to hating on another woman citing that "she's human." Oh, she's human, but the rest of us who give in to those more petty urges, where "Mean Girls?" Thanks. Also, you ladies are pushing 30. Enough with the comparisons to shows and movies that involve teenagers.

Nice episode, girls! Its really brave of your to bring up such a touchy subject for most people. I agree with you that at the end of the day, why should you be mean or talk behind other people's backs? You're only hurting yourself. And to quote my favorite movie, Mean Girls...

"Calling somebody else fat won't make you any skinnier. Calling someone stupid doesn't make you any smarter. And ruining Regina George's life definitely didn't make me any happier. All you can do in life is try to solve the problem in front of you/"

SO TRUE!

yikes, this is a pretty condescending episode. Mary gets a bit aggressive at the end with "mean girls, rethink this, it's YOU that looks bad!" etc. This whole 'we don't talk shit, neither should you' theme is just uncomfortable. the girls are essentially scolding commenters and telling them to be nicer to them.